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	<title>Comments on: Gulbankians to go before zoning board Wednesday night</title>
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		<title>By: carrie alpert</title>
		<link>http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/27/gulbankians-to-go-before-zoning-board-wednesday-night/#comment-35486</link>
		<dc:creator>carrie alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if what you speak of is true &quot;disheartened&quot; then shame on the lot of them--i could proliferate on the topic but you pretty much summed it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if what you speak of is true &#8220;disheartened&#8221; then shame on the lot of them&#8211;i could proliferate on the topic but you pretty much summed it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Disheartened</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disheartened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the meeting in support of the Gulbankians. I was disheartened to see such unnecessary cantankerous behavior. The buses are legal and within their license. That is off the table. People unhappy with that need to move on and let these people to run their business. 
The machine shop is a logistical move for those unhappy with the buses. They have the license to work on buses, that is not an issue. The issue is whether they are also allowed to work on antique cars within the four walls that are already there. I hardly believe that the number of antique cars that they might work on in one year will pose any kind of health hazard that the fleet of the daily mail trucks or idling cars at D.D. pose. This is an excuse to run them under, so the property will be sold for more taxes. I believe I saw a few $$$ in the eyes of some board members.
The elderly that say they just want some bushes and screening were surprisingly vicious about it. What they are doing isn&#039;t getting them to this end, except with the possibility that someone &quot;tidier&quot; might move in when the Gulbankians are bankrupt. I always imagined this older generation being the example of how to treat people regardless of money, social status, occupation, and when a member of the community is down on their luck. I know my grandmothers would have been ashamed of such behavior, or me for that matter had I not been a caring citizen to a family that has seen illness, loss of business as a result, and three young families hanging on by a thread. This is where I believe &quot;Newbie&quot; plays a role. You would not act this way to people that you have history with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the meeting in support of the Gulbankians. I was disheartened to see such unnecessary cantankerous behavior. The buses are legal and within their license. That is off the table. People unhappy with that need to move on and let these people to run their business.<br />
The machine shop is a logistical move for those unhappy with the buses. They have the license to work on buses, that is not an issue. The issue is whether they are also allowed to work on antique cars within the four walls that are already there. I hardly believe that the number of antique cars that they might work on in one year will pose any kind of health hazard that the fleet of the daily mail trucks or idling cars at D.D. pose. This is an excuse to run them under, so the property will be sold for more taxes. I believe I saw a few $$$ in the eyes of some board members.<br />
The elderly that say they just want some bushes and screening were surprisingly vicious about it. What they are doing isn&#8217;t getting them to this end, except with the possibility that someone &#8220;tidier&#8221; might move in when the Gulbankians are bankrupt. I always imagined this older generation being the example of how to treat people regardless of money, social status, occupation, and when a member of the community is down on their luck. I know my grandmothers would have been ashamed of such behavior, or me for that matter had I not been a caring citizen to a family that has seen illness, loss of business as a result, and three young families hanging on by a thread. This is where I believe &#8220;Newbie&#8221; plays a role. You would not act this way to people that you have history with.</p>
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		<title>By: carrie alpert</title>
		<link>http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/27/gulbankians-to-go-before-zoning-board-wednesday-night/#comment-35402</link>
		<dc:creator>carrie alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with the above post, who really wants to start a new venture in this town when it is so difficult for those who are already here to stay established;however, I also agree that diesel fumes have no place in a residential neighborhood, even in city districts they are foribidden (as in you may not work on multiple cars if you live in a closely knit neighborhood such as Dorchester) I find the discussion, and actually the continued undercurrent thread of &quot;newbie&quot; and &quot;townie&quot; to be absolutely ludicrous--as if the bank cares who has been here longer when your real estate tax check is deposited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with the above post, who really wants to start a new venture in this town when it is so difficult for those who are already here to stay established;however, I also agree that diesel fumes have no place in a residential neighborhood, even in city districts they are foribidden (as in you may not work on multiple cars if you live in a closely knit neighborhood such as Dorchester) I find the discussion, and actually the continued undercurrent thread of &#8220;newbie&#8221; and &#8220;townie&#8221; to be absolutely ludicrous&#8211;as if the bank cares who has been here longer when your real estate tax check is deposited.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/27/gulbankians-to-go-before-zoning-board-wednesday-night/#comment-35125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue needs to get resolved and the town needs to make a decision (yesterday). The legal documents, site visits, letters of support and complaint have all been filed. Someone needs to pull the trigger!

After sitting through the meeting the other night my feeling is why would anyone want to own or even start a business in town if a family owned business like the Gulbankians are treated like this?
Asking for yet another site plan which would have cost them $35,000 when multiple plans have been submitted, was a ridiculous request. This family is lucky to have any profit left over this year after the legal fees, documentation and court costs they&#039;ve incurred. I guess putting 2 people temporarily out of work when unemployment is through the roof is OK.  Oh, yes the hearing is delayed for almost another 2-3 weeks but again they can collect!

As a taxpayer everyone has a right to question a business if they&#039;ve changed their operation and it directly affects your property and the town has an obligation to review, investigate and request that certain conditions be met. The injustice to everyone is when we begin to impede the process by constant delay tactics which not only affect the business owner but also the tax payers (don&#039;t forget those town legal costs we voted on). What I observed from the meeting was that the surrounding residents don&#039;t like the fact that the buses are back in operation  so they are going to make it as difficult as possible for Carolyn and her brothers to operate the bus/car repair and flower shop. I fail to see how these operations after all these years are now impacting surrounding neighbors. What about the Town Center, Business Offices, National Grid, Transfer Station…

Be careful what you ask for you might just get it (more vacant buildings, empty dirt parking lots and more lost revenue to the town). Who wins on this one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue needs to get resolved and the town needs to make a decision (yesterday). The legal documents, site visits, letters of support and complaint have all been filed. Someone needs to pull the trigger!</p>
<p>After sitting through the meeting the other night my feeling is why would anyone want to own or even start a business in town if a family owned business like the Gulbankians are treated like this?<br />
Asking for yet another site plan which would have cost them $35,000 when multiple plans have been submitted, was a ridiculous request. This family is lucky to have any profit left over this year after the legal fees, documentation and court costs they&#8217;ve incurred. I guess putting 2 people temporarily out of work when unemployment is through the roof is OK.  Oh, yes the hearing is delayed for almost another 2-3 weeks but again they can collect!</p>
<p>As a taxpayer everyone has a right to question a business if they&#8217;ve changed their operation and it directly affects your property and the town has an obligation to review, investigate and request that certain conditions be met. The injustice to everyone is when we begin to impede the process by constant delay tactics which not only affect the business owner but also the tax payers (don&#8217;t forget those town legal costs we voted on). What I observed from the meeting was that the surrounding residents don&#8217;t like the fact that the buses are back in operation  so they are going to make it as difficult as possible for Carolyn and her brothers to operate the bus/car repair and flower shop. I fail to see how these operations after all these years are now impacting surrounding neighbors. What about the Town Center, Business Offices, National Grid, Transfer Station…</p>
<p>Be careful what you ask for you might just get it (more vacant buildings, empty dirt parking lots and more lost revenue to the town). Who wins on this one?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to laugh at this &quot;townie&quot; vs &quot;newbie&quot; discussion (reminds me of the Algonquin debate!)... my Mom told me years ago that this was the only town that you could live in for 95 of your 96 years, and your obit would say that although you lived in town for many years, you were a &quot;native of ____________&quot;!  So, using that parameter, all of us are &quot;newbies&quot;, as my parents moved here in 1959...  When I was growing up, it was the &quot;townies&quot; vs the &quot;schoolies&quot;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh at this &#8220;townie&#8221; vs &#8220;newbie&#8221; discussion (reminds me of the Algonquin debate!)&#8230; my Mom told me years ago that this was the only town that you could live in for 95 of your 96 years, and your obit would say that although you lived in town for many years, you were a &#8220;native of ____________&#8221;!  So, using that parameter, all of us are &#8220;newbies&#8221;, as my parents moved here in 1959&#8230;  When I was growing up, it was the &#8220;townies&#8221; vs the &#8220;schoolies&#8221;. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Quill</title>
		<link>http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/27/gulbankians-to-go-before-zoning-board-wednesday-night/#comment-35105</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Quill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Reasonable Townie,

Thank you so very much for your impartial, unbiased and rational response
above.  I appreciate hearing the facts and not the rantings of  &quot;Townie&quot; who, behind an anonymous post I might add, choses to bash &quot;newbies&quot; when he/she comes to hasty assumptions about who has objected to the business.  

I, being a &quot;newbie&quot; (apparently), frequent the Gulbankian florist/garden shop
whenever possible.  I believe in supporting local businesses before  I run to
giants like Home Depot or Lowes for flowers in my garden.  I am tired of
&quot;newbies&quot; being  bashed.  I cannot believe that a grown adult would
be so narrow minded as to assume this is the result of &quot;newbies&quot; complaining.

According to the MWDN today,  Mt. Vickory Hill Condominiums is one group
that opposes the business...... a nearby retirement community.
In addition, according to Reasonable Townie above, the opposition also comes
from nearby residents of the business who have lived in town for many, many years.

Quit the &quot;newbie&quot; bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reasonable Townie,</p>
<p>Thank you so very much for your impartial, unbiased and rational response<br />
above.  I appreciate hearing the facts and not the rantings of  &#8220;Townie&#8221; who, behind an anonymous post I might add, choses to bash &#8220;newbies&#8221; when he/she comes to hasty assumptions about who has objected to the business.  </p>
<p>I, being a &#8220;newbie&#8221; (apparently), frequent the Gulbankian florist/garden shop<br />
whenever possible.  I believe in supporting local businesses before  I run to<br />
giants like Home Depot or Lowes for flowers in my garden.  I am tired of<br />
&#8220;newbies&#8221; being  bashed.  I cannot believe that a grown adult would<br />
be so narrow minded as to assume this is the result of &#8220;newbies&#8221; complaining.</p>
<p>According to the MWDN today,  Mt. Vickory Hill Condominiums is one group<br />
that opposes the business&#8230;&#8230; a nearby retirement community.<br />
In addition, according to Reasonable Townie above, the opposition also comes<br />
from nearby residents of the business who have lived in town for many, many years.</p>
<p>Quit the &#8220;newbie&#8221; bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: mvslug</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvslug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that the farmland has mostly been sold off by the &quot;townies&quot; who owned it for millions of dollars, including by Gulbankians who certainly made a pretty penny selling off their land to the &quot;newbies&quot; being complained about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that the farmland has mostly been sold off by the &#8220;townies&#8221; who owned it for millions of dollars, including by Gulbankians who certainly made a pretty penny selling off their land to the &#8220;newbies&#8221; being complained about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/27/gulbankians-to-go-before-zoning-board-wednesday-night/#comment-34952</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Mike is trying to pull another fast one over on the town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Mike is trying to pull another fast one over on the town.</p>
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		<title>By: reasonable townie</title>
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		<dc:creator>reasonable townie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the next door neighbor henri (andy) baldelli has lived on the property for 94 years.  across the street shawn (baldelli) maguire has lived 39 years in the house his great grandfather had built 95 years ago...pre-gulbankian.  i would hardly consider them newbies.  they don&#039;t want the sound, and more importantly the carcenigenic fumes around their homes, paricularly with a new baby on the way.  
let&#039;s remember this is a residential area, even though the dunkin d&#039;s is close by, i can&#039;t see or smell it from the nursery at the maguires.  and although even if i could smell the donuts, as long as i just smelled the donuts and didn&#039;t eat them, i would not have any health risks.  the same can not be said for diesel fumes, which can cause asthma and cancer and a host of other maladies. not to mention sound that 14 diesel buses starting make at an early hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the next door neighbor henri (andy) baldelli has lived on the property for 94 years.  across the street shawn (baldelli) maguire has lived 39 years in the house his great grandfather had built 95 years ago&#8230;pre-gulbankian.  i would hardly consider them newbies.  they don&#8217;t want the sound, and more importantly the carcenigenic fumes around their homes, paricularly with a new baby on the way.<br />
let&#8217;s remember this is a residential area, even though the dunkin d&#8217;s is close by, i can&#8217;t see or smell it from the nursery at the maguires.  and although even if i could smell the donuts, as long as i just smelled the donuts and didn&#8217;t eat them, i would not have any health risks.  the same can not be said for diesel fumes, which can cause asthma and cancer and a host of other maladies. not to mention sound that 14 diesel buses starting make at an early hour.</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen - No decisions were made (much to the consternation of the large crowd that turned out for the hearing). I&#039;ll have more on the blog in a bit.

&lt;strong&gt;Update:&lt;/strong&gt; Here&#039;s my post about the hearing on Wednesday night: http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/29/no-decsion-on-gulbankian-businesses/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen &#8211; No decisions were made (much to the consternation of the large crowd that turned out for the hearing). I&#8217;ll have more on the blog in a bit.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> Here&#8217;s my post about the hearing on Wednesday night: <a href="http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/29/no-decsion-on-gulbankian-businesses/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysouthborough.com/2010/07/29/no-decsion-on-gulbankian-businesses/</a></p>
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